nk2006
10-08 04:10 PM
Look at the previous post. Its a myth that NRIs are buying up all these high end properties.
Indian real estate market is fueled by the black money india. They are using NRIs as a facade. Investing in realestate legitimizes that money. Now they don't care how much rent they are getting. It makes no business sense at all. You and me cannot comepete with them.
You are right on - most of conversations/analysis on RE market in India (especially Hyderabad which I am familiar with) center around how NRI/IT employee money has spurred the prices. its a big urban legend. Majority of these "investments" were with black money - corrupt govt employees, local businessmen, and politicians of all parties, and ultra rich actors. They saw a chance in converting their black money into white and pumped up into RE projects as "investments". I saw a report somewhere which said that these black-money transactions can account for atleast 33% of RE transactions in hyderabad (with another 1/3 coming from companies/FII's and only the other 1/3 from NRI's + local rich professionals like IT employees/doctors/lawyers etc). In the apartment and SF homes market most of the projects are in the mid-way thru completion -with majority of apartment projects scheduled to complete in 2009-11. During that time there will be abundant apartments with not many people living in them - expect to see rental prices go down even more.
Of course these investors would eventually try to cash their assets - and deman vs supply equations change dramatically to drag down prices. In addition to this - the current global economic conditions are bad (to put it very mildly) - the argument that it will not touch India may not be correct. Our economy is a lot smaller than other economies like US/europe and depend a lot on those economies - more financial companies bankruptsies would affect IT companies revenues. Also there were direct investments from some of the failed companies in India - for example Lehman Bros had a investment in one of apartment project in Hyderabad. Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, etc. all have tie ups with RE companies with huge "promised" investments. Now that they themselves are in trouble - dont think that they would venture into indian RE market anymore - this can also potentially drag down prices.
I could be wrong (was saying that this would happen for last one year - it didnt happen so far ;)) - but I think buying an apartment/house in Hyderabad/Bangalore/Chennai now in 2008 as an "investment" is not a great idea. If the buy is to live there - then its another matter (I never look at my home as an investment - its more of a life style choice whether in India or in US).
Indian real estate market is fueled by the black money india. They are using NRIs as a facade. Investing in realestate legitimizes that money. Now they don't care how much rent they are getting. It makes no business sense at all. You and me cannot comepete with them.
You are right on - most of conversations/analysis on RE market in India (especially Hyderabad which I am familiar with) center around how NRI/IT employee money has spurred the prices. its a big urban legend. Majority of these "investments" were with black money - corrupt govt employees, local businessmen, and politicians of all parties, and ultra rich actors. They saw a chance in converting their black money into white and pumped up into RE projects as "investments". I saw a report somewhere which said that these black-money transactions can account for atleast 33% of RE transactions in hyderabad (with another 1/3 coming from companies/FII's and only the other 1/3 from NRI's + local rich professionals like IT employees/doctors/lawyers etc). In the apartment and SF homes market most of the projects are in the mid-way thru completion -with majority of apartment projects scheduled to complete in 2009-11. During that time there will be abundant apartments with not many people living in them - expect to see rental prices go down even more.
Of course these investors would eventually try to cash their assets - and deman vs supply equations change dramatically to drag down prices. In addition to this - the current global economic conditions are bad (to put it very mildly) - the argument that it will not touch India may not be correct. Our economy is a lot smaller than other economies like US/europe and depend a lot on those economies - more financial companies bankruptsies would affect IT companies revenues. Also there were direct investments from some of the failed companies in India - for example Lehman Bros had a investment in one of apartment project in Hyderabad. Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, etc. all have tie ups with RE companies with huge "promised" investments. Now that they themselves are in trouble - dont think that they would venture into indian RE market anymore - this can also potentially drag down prices.
I could be wrong (was saying that this would happen for last one year - it didnt happen so far ;)) - but I think buying an apartment/house in Hyderabad/Bangalore/Chennai now in 2008 as an "investment" is not a great idea. If the buy is to live there - then its another matter (I never look at my home as an investment - its more of a life style choice whether in India or in US).
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willigetagc
08-26 12:26 PM
Why cannot they just say it?. Why can’t they say that it will take 2 days to 22 days or 222 days to transfer the amount?, if someone needs to send money due to an emergency, they do it thinking that the money will be transferred in two or three days, a week maybe…
Beats me! I don't know why they (the indians) do that. They make agressive promises and then fail to meet them. They should adopt the US business style of promising results in 5-7 business days and then deliver in 3-4 days. It then becomes the customer's headache to plan accordingly and they (the customers) are in fact delighted to get the work done in 3-4 days.
(Never mind the fact that the work would actually take them less than 1-2 bus day ;))
Beats me! I don't know why they (the indians) do that. They make agressive promises and then fail to meet them. They should adopt the US business style of promising results in 5-7 business days and then deliver in 3-4 days. It then becomes the customer's headache to plan accordingly and they (the customers) are in fact delighted to get the work done in 3-4 days.
(Never mind the fact that the work would actually take them less than 1-2 bus day ;))
anzerraja
07-19 06:21 PM
Thanks Husker !
We are getting started out as a new thread towards this administrative costs.
As a couple of members mentioned that the core will not take any money from the funds members contributed, and its is really unfortunate that Aman + all the core team have to spend a lot of money out of their pocket. I am not a CPA but have seen that a lot of NOP do set aside administrative funds. That how the organization would work. The good ones will have only 10% of funds towards administrative cost. The BEST ONE LIKE IV has NONE (No money for administrative cost!!!). I am sure the core will not want to dive into the funds people are giving BUT can members send money seperately to set up an administrative fund.
I like khodalmd idea, I know not everyone is going to chip in, but if we have atleat 1000 people we can all send $100, so that atleast the core team dont take on the financial burden of the entire community. People sent flowers, a lot of people sent flowers...I am sure atleat 1000 appreciative members can shell out $100 for IV.
I am game for the $100 suggested by anzerraja (I think)
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Contribution: Till now $300 + $50 re-occuring
We are getting started out as a new thread towards this administrative costs.
As a couple of members mentioned that the core will not take any money from the funds members contributed, and its is really unfortunate that Aman + all the core team have to spend a lot of money out of their pocket. I am not a CPA but have seen that a lot of NOP do set aside administrative funds. That how the organization would work. The good ones will have only 10% of funds towards administrative cost. The BEST ONE LIKE IV has NONE (No money for administrative cost!!!). I am sure the core will not want to dive into the funds people are giving BUT can members send money seperately to set up an administrative fund.
I like khodalmd idea, I know not everyone is going to chip in, but if we have atleat 1000 people we can all send $100, so that atleast the core team dont take on the financial burden of the entire community. People sent flowers, a lot of people sent flowers...I am sure atleat 1000 appreciative members can shell out $100 for IV.
I am game for the $100 suggested by anzerraja (I think)
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Contribution: Till now $300 + $50 re-occuring
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04-20 05:30 PM
seems like you can not resist... dont know what are you proving here..... :mad:
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shana04
06-17 01:11 AM
Hi,
Today I met an attorney..
Any thoughts??
My Friend I will pray for you and your family.
All I can say is pray to Durga Ma and she will protect you and your family.
All friends from IV have given you good suggestions. But my friend take cash out of bank and keep some liquid cash or safe with a friend whom you can trust, you cannot believe/trust these bunch of A** H***S.
Keep faith in God and give some support to your wife and kids, do not get dis hearted, all you can finally do is file for bankrupcy.
Good Luck to you and GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
JAI DURGA MA
Today I met an attorney..
Any thoughts??
My Friend I will pray for you and your family.
All I can say is pray to Durga Ma and she will protect you and your family.
All friends from IV have given you good suggestions. But my friend take cash out of bank and keep some liquid cash or safe with a friend whom you can trust, you cannot believe/trust these bunch of A** H***S.
Keep faith in God and give some support to your wife and kids, do not get dis hearted, all you can finally do is file for bankrupcy.
Good Luck to you and GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
JAI DURGA MA
santb1975
02-01 04:09 PM
Obama made a statement last night we should fix the Borken Legal Immigration System. I thought he knew about it. Thanks for the Ideas. I am going to ask a question about the yearly cap of 140K for EB Green cards
Clinton, Romney & McCain know about EB GC problems; they may not know some low level details. I don't know about Obama.
The questions are very very simple.
What do you plan to do about administrative delays (like labor, namecheck, ...)?
This can be done by the Prez alone!
What do you plan to do about the yearly cRap of 140K?
There is no cRap on F1. There is no cRap on persons hired. Why should there be a cRap on GC?
I-485 approval should mean GC!
This needs congressional legislation!
If retrogression drags then H-1B rules (like pay stubs etc) should not be applicable!
This MAY need congressional legislation!
Clinton, Romney & McCain know about EB GC problems; they may not know some low level details. I don't know about Obama.
The questions are very very simple.
What do you plan to do about administrative delays (like labor, namecheck, ...)?
This can be done by the Prez alone!
What do you plan to do about the yearly cRap of 140K?
There is no cRap on F1. There is no cRap on persons hired. Why should there be a cRap on GC?
I-485 approval should mean GC!
This needs congressional legislation!
If retrogression drags then H-1B rules (like pay stubs etc) should not be applicable!
This MAY need congressional legislation!
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qplearn
11-15 12:42 PM
Trent Lott has supported the SKIL bill, and has become the minority leader. Should be good news. Should we write to him?
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wandmaker
03-30 02:51 PM
Forum Gurus - I got a denial letter on my 485. I am a July 2007 filer and applied for AOS in July 2007. My 140 was revoked by ex employer in August 2008 and immediately I got a NOID from USCIS and responded to it in a timely manner and my case processing resumed.
But now, I got a denial stating that my 140 has been revoked in August 2008 and thats why my 485 is denied. My Attorney is filing for MTR and says it is a mistake on their side and will be resolved through MTR.
It just baffles me that the person who sent the denial letter never looked into the system to see my case trail and blindly issued the denial notice. My Attorney says, it is very much possible that they do not look at RFEs or responses - they just issue denials when they browse through the 140s.
I am EB2 India with a priority date of March 2006. I think some kind of pre assessment is going on. There are no LUDs and mine is at the TSC.
Is there anyone else in the same boat? How long does it take for MTR to get processed?
Nothing to panic, browse through chanduv23's posting(s) - you will be back in track in few weeks.
Most recent case is at http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23800&highlight=revoked+denial
But now, I got a denial stating that my 140 has been revoked in August 2008 and thats why my 485 is denied. My Attorney is filing for MTR and says it is a mistake on their side and will be resolved through MTR.
It just baffles me that the person who sent the denial letter never looked into the system to see my case trail and blindly issued the denial notice. My Attorney says, it is very much possible that they do not look at RFEs or responses - they just issue denials when they browse through the 140s.
I am EB2 India with a priority date of March 2006. I think some kind of pre assessment is going on. There are no LUDs and mine is at the TSC.
Is there anyone else in the same boat? How long does it take for MTR to get processed?
Nothing to panic, browse through chanduv23's posting(s) - you will be back in track in few weeks.
Most recent case is at http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23800&highlight=revoked+denial
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deba
06-13 07:48 PM
Anybody got any idea on my situation?
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08-12 12:29 PM
Looking at the poll it seems that most of the EB-3 pending are from before Jan1 - 2005 . Seems like anyone who filed in PERM from 2005 onwards was wise enough to file in EB-2 or converted to EB-2 . We are in for a long wait .
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misanthrope
10-02 11:54 PM
Someone left me this comment with a red (ofcourse).
"Just because you are a consultant to a sleazy company does not make you incapable. The company might be not the consultant."
Sir/Madam,
I totally agree with your first statement. As I posted, people can be victim of circumstances. But, I believe there is always a choice and people tend to agree with their selfish side. It's the human nature. Please note that I am NOT questioning skills/knowledge of an EB3 candidate.
Baffling picture is that people get on the defensive in a second without justifying wrong doings or criminal acts. They tend to question other person's credibility or totally discredit his statements without even addressing the question.
"Just because you are a consultant to a sleazy company does not make you incapable. The company might be not the consultant."
Sir/Madam,
I totally agree with your first statement. As I posted, people can be victim of circumstances. But, I believe there is always a choice and people tend to agree with their selfish side. It's the human nature. Please note that I am NOT questioning skills/knowledge of an EB3 candidate.
Baffling picture is that people get on the defensive in a second without justifying wrong doings or criminal acts. They tend to question other person's credibility or totally discredit his statements without even addressing the question.
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k_usa
07-18 12:29 PM
Reached USCIS - 7/02
Service Center- NSC
rejected/accepted - Do not know
EB2 -
PD -01/2006
140 AD - 10/2006
Service Center- NSC
rejected/accepted - Do not know
EB2 -
PD -01/2006
140 AD - 10/2006
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04-20 09:48 AM
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Mr. Brown
05-14 08:23 PM
Mr Brown,
Should I say that all of you those who bought homes and are having a life bought a home with 0% down and interest only loan so that you can save your taxes now and if your GC does not come through in 5 years, you will walk out with out any loss as you made hefty deductions and haven't paid single penny towards the mortgage and simply go to Timbuktu or Krakovia. I will not!. Just because you chose to buy a home and have a life does not mean that others dont. Every one lives their own lives. Those who dont buy a home live a life of their choice. Stop judging people. GC was not a risk or hindrance to you in buying a home but could be for Joe the Analyst. You might have deep pockets, Joe the analyst might not or have other commitments
Your statements (above in bold) are contradictory. On one hand you don't want us to judge you but you return us the favor anyway.
Let me be clear here. I was talking about people who come here whining about how they can't buy a house ONLY because of the gc/immigration laws etc. I am not talking about Joe the Analyst (nicely copied BTW :-))
All I am saying is to stop whining and do better to withstand what you cannot change.
BTW, I put 10% down on my house and I've got the usual commitments.
Should I say that all of you those who bought homes and are having a life bought a home with 0% down and interest only loan so that you can save your taxes now and if your GC does not come through in 5 years, you will walk out with out any loss as you made hefty deductions and haven't paid single penny towards the mortgage and simply go to Timbuktu or Krakovia. I will not!. Just because you chose to buy a home and have a life does not mean that others dont. Every one lives their own lives. Those who dont buy a home live a life of their choice. Stop judging people. GC was not a risk or hindrance to you in buying a home but could be for Joe the Analyst. You might have deep pockets, Joe the analyst might not or have other commitments
Your statements (above in bold) are contradictory. On one hand you don't want us to judge you but you return us the favor anyway.
Let me be clear here. I was talking about people who come here whining about how they can't buy a house ONLY because of the gc/immigration laws etc. I am not talking about Joe the Analyst (nicely copied BTW :-))
All I am saying is to stop whining and do better to withstand what you cannot change.
BTW, I put 10% down on my house and I've got the usual commitments.
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01-31 10:48 PM
You know, there are often times we all get upset that some stupid questions make it to the list, republican debate was one such yesterday, today's democratic one looked better. I hated that they did not ask our question inspite of it being the 2nd popular one but I personally think the question was too damn narrow for them to care.
For us, it may seem the world but for them it is just a technicality/one of the several points of CIR. Both Clinton and Obama seem to always chime in and act all gung-ho about legal immigration coming first.
Whenever they are asked about any frig'n immigration question, they throw the buzz word 'comprehensive immigration reform' and that folks, covers the entire gamut. The worst part is, on this issue the entire front runners look the same, well, almost. Mitt R is against but John, Hillary and Barack all seem to sing the same koom-ba-yaa song about CIR.
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For us, it may seem the world but for them it is just a technicality/one of the several points of CIR. Both Clinton and Obama seem to always chime in and act all gung-ho about legal immigration coming first.
Whenever they are asked about any frig'n immigration question, they throw the buzz word 'comprehensive immigration reform' and that folks, covers the entire gamut. The worst part is, on this issue the entire front runners look the same, well, almost. Mitt R is against but John, Hillary and Barack all seem to sing the same koom-ba-yaa song about CIR.
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eager_immi
01-31 01:46 PM
I agree it is a completly unfair practice and i am glad it is stopped
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that was the idea behind it, but when a feature is being misused and exploited that needs to be plugged. If microsoft needed a genius they can bring that person in on EB1 or H1B or B1 visa. there are many other avenues.
How do u feel that a person who arrives in US yesterday, buys a labor, gets his GC within a year while thousands of us are waiting patiently.
It is an unfair practice and should have been stopped long time back.
It's never too late though.
Selling labors became the business model of manyof these companies.
Are they doing anything illegal? NO.
Are they doing something ethical? NO
So, the law has to change to give everyone a fair chance.
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that was the idea behind it, but when a feature is being misused and exploited that needs to be plugged. If microsoft needed a genius they can bring that person in on EB1 or H1B or B1 visa. there are many other avenues.
How do u feel that a person who arrives in US yesterday, buys a labor, gets his GC within a year while thousands of us are waiting patiently.
It is an unfair practice and should have been stopped long time back.
It's never too late though.
Selling labors became the business model of manyof these companies.
Are they doing anything illegal? NO.
Are they doing something ethical? NO
So, the law has to change to give everyone a fair chance.
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logiclife
02-13 01:45 PM
I have tried to convince people (Indians and some Chinese) to join IV. People don't. They don't believe IV has the capability to get anything done. A lot of people don't care if IV existed or not. They believe that Congress will get to it when it deems right. Core members were asking a few weeks ago if that is the message people are sending. Yes it is.
Yeah. We know that. A lot of people think IV cannot get anything done. IV never promised that we will cause CIR to happen. We never promised that we will cause SKIL to happen. They all happen, mostly on their own. IV's role is to add amendments when they come and remove provisions that hurt us. We did that successfully last year by getting the hard country cap removed. No one else was interested in removing the hard cap. It took a lot of co-ordination and lot of trips and lot of hard work to get it done. If that harmful provision had stayed, then the new quota of 650,000 in S 2611 would have been useless. People forget achivements of IV or think that it was negligible. Retrogression would have been exacerbated with hard country cap.
And this year, if CIR or SKIL bill come, we will be able to achive much much more. We are in much better shape and its hard for me to convince you of that unless I divulge details. That I cannot do. Its up to you if you can trust IV core on that.
You are reading the message right. I don't want IV to die. I am suggesting people with leadership skills to come forward and get SOME F**KING RESULTS. That is what is needed. It is do or die situation.
Yes, we know that your situation and a lot of other people's situation is do-or-die situation. We know that lot of visitors and members are being squeezed by their situation (exploiting employer, travel restrictions, naggin H4 spouse, no wage growth, no job mobility, no promotions) and that will end only when they get out of H1 and get GC. Its actually the do-or-die situation that prompted the creation of IV.
I am not a leader and I don't want to pretend that I am. I ask others who are not to step down and encourage the right people to take leadership positions.
That's what it seemed from your original post. And nothing wrong with that. If you are up to the job then you are welcome. We already have state-chapters and people are not actively participating in that. Last week, on California's state chapter conf call, 2 people came. If you take leadership, you need to do things locally like meeting with other people in your city, forming a group of 4-5 people and going and meeting your congressman. And if you want to be in IV core, then you have to call us on the phone number listed and we can see if you can add any value to core by doing things we routinely do, like content prep, website maint, travelling to DC for meetings, talking to other orgs etc. If you are up to the job, sure, why not. Anyone who considers themselves fit for IV core, please call us. We really do need help as we are overwhelmed.
I am a very dissatisfied member of IV. Are you satisfied with IV so far? Why doesn't everyone raise these questions? What has caused us to fail so far?
I am dissatisfied too with the results. Its not like I am a happy camper on H1. What has caused us to fail? The same thing that has caused us to fail last year, the same thing that caused industry to fail in getting H1 quota raised, the same thing that caused failure of Universities to get F4 visa for masters degree holders. And these guys have lobbying budget in millions? Why do you think they failed?
Whatever caused their failure, caused our failure too. In DC, issues are not debated and legislated based on morality and merits of those issues. They are taken up based on contemporary politics and other factors like lobbying, public attention, elections and political parties.
For example: Last year, they debated a constitutional amendment to ban flag burned in USA. And spent precious time of congress on debating it. How to you think that would have helped anyone? Even it had passed, what was the merit of the issue? Flag burned mostly happens outside USA. In USA people rarely burn US flags. So banning flag burning in USA is like banning metric system. Its meaningless. Yet, they spent time on it.
Read papers, read articles from other lobbying orgs and learn something. Legislations dont happen on their own because the issues carry weight and have merits. Merits have nothing to do with congressional action.
To quote a bestselling economist Steven Levitt :
"If morality is how we would like the world to work, economy is how the world actually works".
Same thing applies to US congress. They dont set their timetable of bills based on morality and merits. There are other factors.
Yeah. We know that. A lot of people think IV cannot get anything done. IV never promised that we will cause CIR to happen. We never promised that we will cause SKIL to happen. They all happen, mostly on their own. IV's role is to add amendments when they come and remove provisions that hurt us. We did that successfully last year by getting the hard country cap removed. No one else was interested in removing the hard cap. It took a lot of co-ordination and lot of trips and lot of hard work to get it done. If that harmful provision had stayed, then the new quota of 650,000 in S 2611 would have been useless. People forget achivements of IV or think that it was negligible. Retrogression would have been exacerbated with hard country cap.
And this year, if CIR or SKIL bill come, we will be able to achive much much more. We are in much better shape and its hard for me to convince you of that unless I divulge details. That I cannot do. Its up to you if you can trust IV core on that.
You are reading the message right. I don't want IV to die. I am suggesting people with leadership skills to come forward and get SOME F**KING RESULTS. That is what is needed. It is do or die situation.
Yes, we know that your situation and a lot of other people's situation is do-or-die situation. We know that lot of visitors and members are being squeezed by their situation (exploiting employer, travel restrictions, naggin H4 spouse, no wage growth, no job mobility, no promotions) and that will end only when they get out of H1 and get GC. Its actually the do-or-die situation that prompted the creation of IV.
I am not a leader and I don't want to pretend that I am. I ask others who are not to step down and encourage the right people to take leadership positions.
That's what it seemed from your original post. And nothing wrong with that. If you are up to the job then you are welcome. We already have state-chapters and people are not actively participating in that. Last week, on California's state chapter conf call, 2 people came. If you take leadership, you need to do things locally like meeting with other people in your city, forming a group of 4-5 people and going and meeting your congressman. And if you want to be in IV core, then you have to call us on the phone number listed and we can see if you can add any value to core by doing things we routinely do, like content prep, website maint, travelling to DC for meetings, talking to other orgs etc. If you are up to the job, sure, why not. Anyone who considers themselves fit for IV core, please call us. We really do need help as we are overwhelmed.
I am a very dissatisfied member of IV. Are you satisfied with IV so far? Why doesn't everyone raise these questions? What has caused us to fail so far?
I am dissatisfied too with the results. Its not like I am a happy camper on H1. What has caused us to fail? The same thing that has caused us to fail last year, the same thing that caused industry to fail in getting H1 quota raised, the same thing that caused failure of Universities to get F4 visa for masters degree holders. And these guys have lobbying budget in millions? Why do you think they failed?
Whatever caused their failure, caused our failure too. In DC, issues are not debated and legislated based on morality and merits of those issues. They are taken up based on contemporary politics and other factors like lobbying, public attention, elections and political parties.
For example: Last year, they debated a constitutional amendment to ban flag burned in USA. And spent precious time of congress on debating it. How to you think that would have helped anyone? Even it had passed, what was the merit of the issue? Flag burned mostly happens outside USA. In USA people rarely burn US flags. So banning flag burning in USA is like banning metric system. Its meaningless. Yet, they spent time on it.
Read papers, read articles from other lobbying orgs and learn something. Legislations dont happen on their own because the issues carry weight and have merits. Merits have nothing to do with congressional action.
To quote a bestselling economist Steven Levitt :
"If morality is how we would like the world to work, economy is how the world actually works".
Same thing applies to US congress. They dont set their timetable of bills based on morality and merits. There are other factors.
vbkris77
03-10 06:37 PM
The stats you are refering to are total I485s. They include FB, Asylum etc. You are missing our China friends. They may have atleast 100K apps pending.
desi3933
08-22 01:47 PM
Here's an anecdote -
This was back in the late 80s, when I was growing up - in Bangalore.
India had just lost the Finals of a well fought [field] hockey match to Pakistan. We were all very disappointed by the loss, but it saddened me further to see a victory procession with waving Pakistani flags in the Muslim parts of the City.
Ofcourse, India is a secular country and more so the United States.. and you can cheer whoever you please..
But, If you chose to become a US Citizen, and US were in a battle with your country of Origin (let's narrow it down to Sports, to keep it less complicated), which country would you side? If I chose to side with my country of origin, it would make me a hypocrite, wouldn't it ?
>> which country would you side?
Without a doubt, USA as I am a US citizen and USA is my country.
This was back in the late 80s, when I was growing up - in Bangalore.
India had just lost the Finals of a well fought [field] hockey match to Pakistan. We were all very disappointed by the loss, but it saddened me further to see a victory procession with waving Pakistani flags in the Muslim parts of the City.
Ofcourse, India is a secular country and more so the United States.. and you can cheer whoever you please..
But, If you chose to become a US Citizen, and US were in a battle with your country of Origin (let's narrow it down to Sports, to keep it less complicated), which country would you side? If I chose to side with my country of origin, it would make me a hypocrite, wouldn't it ?
>> which country would you side?
Without a doubt, USA as I am a US citizen and USA is my country.
