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  • nixstor
    07-03 12:26 PM
    I admit, it seems discriminatory to say you can't get your GC now because you're from this country or that country but these "high volume" countries have created the current back log through their sheer numbers and sometimes multiple applications, not the system. The system is fair to ALL and for some group to say that it isn't fair because all of that group isn't getting what they want is unjust to the rest of us. I knew I would be pounced upon when I submitted my original post and it only proves my point of personal agendas; sometimes I wonder what the "I" in "IV" really stands for? Don't be so arrogant as to believe that your higher education should give you more rights than others - that doesn't fly with me! I am frustrated with this forum because of this arrogance and I may not visit too much longer!

    I do have one question for all of you who are in favor of eliminating the per country limit; do you support an eventual road to citizenship for the large group of people who dominate the "other side" of immigration? If you don't, some may think you hipocritical to want the rules changed for yourselves!

    Sheer number of applications from the high volume countries has created the backlog?? Are you saying/wishing that these people should not have come in the first place to avoid the backlog?? My friend, backlogs did not happen completely because of the sheer number of applications and gaming. Backlogs happened primarily because of wasted visa numbers and issues surrounding it. If there was no visa number wastage the priority dates would have been around 2-3 years behind as opposed to 7 or 8 years. There are gamers in every system. If a system does not work for people as it is supposed to, gamers do so to get out of the system. Not that IV condones such things but it happens in any system, when the system is broken.

    The I in IV definitely does not stand for me only or for any one only. I along with V only makes sense. I by itself does not get IV any where.

    So removing the per country limit would remove the "bias" off these countries and move it to the ones with lower populations; so, in essence the discrimination would be reversed?

    On one hand you are saying that there is a bias towards lower population countries now and you are ok with it, just because you happen to benefit from it. Is that what you mean?

    If retrogressed countries are asking for 75% of the numbers reserved to them rather than having one line for all, You have a good point in saying that the bias is shifting towards retrogressed countries. There is no such provision like that. The provision creates one line depending on when you entered the line. You enter the line ahead, you get it first.

    So keeping the limits intact is NOT a bias to you? You can't have it both ways. What do you think is a solution? The point system you referred to came with the same 10% limit on the retrogressed countries. What difference does it make to a retrogressed person with 96 out of 100 points, but still needs to wait for 4 years, while some one from Krakozhia walks away in 6 months with 60 points. B T W , you also said that higher education deserves more does not fly with you. I am not sure how you want points to be assigned, other than education and experience. Don't let the fear and protectionist thought take over the logical and rational thought.

    The "other side" of immigration is an entirely different topic. Their issues and our issues, their path to the end line and ours are entirely different. We can't simply compare apples and oranges and call people hypocrites. That said, I personally support it and feel that it will happen at some point depending on the majority in both houses and one party will suffer for the decisions it made. As a by stander, I sympathize with the situation the "other side" has been in. I have a full plate to work on.





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  • delax
    07-13 10:34 AM
    Why didnt the EB2 ROW number trickle to ROW EB3 first?

    Think about this for a minute. By doing so EB3-ROW is given precedence over EB2-Retro country after the ROW within EB2 has been satisfied. I cant see how that can make sense - not that anything in the GC sojourn makes sense. The categorization across employment categories is due to a difference in skill, training and experience level. Once the ROW demand within a category has been satisified, the retro country within the same category needs to get a preference over any lower category - sounds very harsh and heirarchical but thats how it is.





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  • 10dulkar
    03-16 01:07 PM
    dont "warn" me..........you think i give a damn about your "warning"??

    the right to speak is MINE. all YOU can do from your high horse is ban me from the forum.

    i really dont care, i still think interfilers and substituters should get what they derserve. every single bit of it. may they really, truly, go to hell, and stay there indefinitely.

    and NO, dont preach to me about trying to "fix" the system. the agenda here is mostly EB3, and mostly Indian, at best. the multitudes of diploma holders get pissed when i call them out for what they are...........why are THEY so sensitive and ashamed???

    i have a RIGHT to be in the proper EB queue, which i EARNED, and did not employ cheap desi-employer tricks and other games to get into........if that does not answer your doubts my friend, then as i said earlier, ban me..........i dont really care either way.

    i dont advertise what i have done or can do for IV. somehow, that is a little demeaning. sort of like going to a temple and offering some money and then coming out and proclaiming to one and all how generous a give you are....

    or his posts.... they are just inflaming you to reply.... please don't......





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  • kavita
    12-10 07:47 PM
    don't you think that working towards removing unfair country quota in skilled category would be faster & easier than population control?

    Now that you are enlighted about being one among too many, are you planning to go back, and reduce backlog for others?

    Also, when talking about reducing indian population, I hope that you do not agree with what 10 pakistanis tried to do in mumbai few days back!!! That is one very bad way of reducing population! I would prefer load balancing i.e. moving some ppl to part of world where population is not so much.

    Jokes apart, we need to seriously highlight the fact that as there is no country quota in H1B, since it is a skilled category visa, similarly there should be no country quota in skill based immigration too. It is nothing but simply 'DESCRIMINATION" based on country of birth. Do we have guts to fight that??? we can only talk about some stupid solutions but have no unity, no guts and no willingness to stand up for our community.


    I absolutely agree with you. I can't imagine how a person of Indian or Chinese origin can blame themselves of this retrogression. To me, it is a reflection of poor self esteem.
    The bottomline is that we are here because we are needed here. We have the privilege to apply for green card in return for the work we do. Country quota does not make sense in employment based immigration. It is an unfair practice which has to stop someday.



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  • californian_GC
    01-16 12:11 PM
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  • chetanjumani
    03-13 12:10 PM
    Thank You Googler, EB2 India in April is Dec 2003. Hopefully the logic to arrive at this is what you got to know from your Call with DHS employee.

    Hopefully all EB immigrants would be treated equally irrespective of their place of birth.



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  • Slumdog
    01-16 03:33 PM
    For most of you this country has given everything you ever dreamt of & yes it is only possible in USA in short span of time but I want every member here to ask yourself one question. i.e Do you have peace of mind? I want to share with you half a day of my life as an immigrant here. I guess for some my story is not a big deal & for others they feel they are in my shoes. It�s quite lengthy for half a day story, so please read on if you have patience & time.

    January xx/xx/2009

    It�s 5:10 Am and I had to forcefully get out of my bed after 3 snoozes ( the fact is 4th snooze my wife will kick me out of bed anyways) . While walking out of the bed I was jealous of my wife that she need not get up early & go to work as we recently had a baby & she had to leave the job as she was under contract on EAD & not full time. As soon as I came out of shower I was feeling very fresh , energetic & was already planning my day schedule at work while I was getting ready.

    6:00 AM: I am all dressed up for work & while I am already late for my train & taking quick bites of breakfast , I ran upstairs to my bed room to give a goodbye kiss to my wife & daughter. While kissing my daughter I just wanted to stare at her for some more time but had to leave as I was late. & ran back to garage & started my car & zoooommmmmm. I know the back routes to station & I know police wont catch me even if I am speeding ( I was going 65mph in 30 mph zone ). While I was already half way to station I realized & said to myself NOT AGAIN ( I did not turn off lights in the house & this really pisses of my wife ) I forgot to Switch off in the bath room, upstairs corridor, stiars, main hall, kitchen,. I left lights on literally everywhere including garage except the 3 bed rooms.

    6:20AM : Reached the station, parked the car & while I knew there is only 2 min left before I miss the train , I ran to newspaper walla bought the newspaper & literally ran on escalator & just got in the train & the door closed behind me. I guess this happens atleast 2-3 times a week & hey I think I got used to it.
    Once I am in the train I had relax for 5 min to to take breath from running on escalators & then I read the headlines & said nyah same old stuff which was showed at 9PM news last night & didn�t bother to read any more , I opened up business edition & completed & it was frustrating to see that DOW tumbled gain, forclosure on rise, no hopes for good market in 2009 blah blah blah blah blah & then I closed my eyes & started day dreaming about my daughter, her cute smile & thinking about my upcoming trip to india as it will be the first time I am visiting after my baby was born. Just when I though I was falling into sweet dreams I heard this announcement from train operator � Abhey salla utto , tumahara station aagya, jaakey kuch kaam kar� I will translate this in English for non indians ( good morning ladies & gentlemen you have reached station �xyz� & Thank you for riding with us & we wish to see you again�)

    6:56 Am: As soon as I am out of station the first place I go is starbucks, & get a non fat grande mocha with 2% extra hot no foam with little bit of honey & cinnamon. ( KIDDING , I just take plain regular coffee with room ). The first sip is amazing it feels like first cigg after a bottle of beer & started walking to my office which is very close to station.

    7:00Am: I am in office. Usually it is just me & couple of other guys on the floor at that time. The office was silent & it was open floor plan with flat cubicles & you see the entire floor even if you sit at your desk. Logged into PC & checked my emails & getting prepared for the days work.

    7:10Am: I saw one of the senior manager in office & it is very unusal for him to come so early into the office. While I wished him good morning he didn�t seemed to respond the way he usually does. He then walked up to one of the office colleague in different department next to me & asked him if he could come to his office.

    7:15Am: The guy walks out of the office along with manager with packet in his hand & started packing his stuff right away. I could see that his computer is still logged in & I guess he was not even allowed to log off. The manager stands behind him, occasionally helps him in his packing & walks him out of the door, into the elevator & outside the building. That�s it, my heart started beating heavily, I said to my self �today is the day� . Yes by now you all know what I was talking about !!! LAYOFFS�

    The talks have been going for several days & no one except top senior executives knew who & how many people will be laid off. Everyone I talk to in the company is worried, it did not matter if he was senior, working in company since 10 years, experienced , the best technical guy, the most lovable guy, the CEO�s blue eyed boy, every one & I mean almost everyone is worried about their job. I did not know how I was going to handle even though I was prepared before for the worst. But when the time actually came , it�s different, first time I felt I was weak because of the things below which are going in mind.
    � I bought a house just few months back, although great deal at the time I bought I had to invest 15% down payment & at that time never ever knew that this day would come. I always thought I could resell it but when I contacted my mortgage broker few days back , he told me that market was so slow that I wont be even getting the 15% down payment if I plan to sell now. With most of my hard earned savings in the house I am only left with couple of grand for reserves.
    � The biggest worry I had was 10 days after my daughter was born she was hospitalized for almost a month for complex partial seizures treatment .She has since been in medication & was doing good & slowly outgrowing seizures with occasional episodes. We can�t stop the treatment & thinking of expensive Cobra package & not knowing how many months we will be jobless made me sick.
    � How do I invoke AC21 & how many much should I be paying Lawyers?
    � My upcoming trip to india, we already spend close to 5k for the tickets & cancelling the tickets is impossible due to family reasons. What if I loose a job now & go on trip to india? Can I enter back on Advance parole? What if the port of entry finds out that I lost a job, will be I allowed in when I come back? Will my company cancel current approved I140? & will that lead to I485 cancellations which has been happening recently ??
    � What will happen to my car loans & upcoming car registration, insurance.

    Not that I don�t have any money in reserves but these are very few things I mentioned above that bothered me & list can go on & on. Is it easy pack all the bags & leave everything behind? Yes if you want to & NO if you want to fight, it�s as simple as that & I did not plan to leave. So let�s go back to what happened for the rest of the day & believe me all the above points I mentioned was going in my mind in less than a minute, so now the time is �

    7:16Am: I saw one other manager in the same process in different dept doing the exact same process. Remember, above somewhere I said that it is a open floor plan & everyone can see everything what is happening. Though I am not shaken from outside, inside I feel every inch of it.

    Part II Continuation below.......





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  • mbawa2574
    02-18 04:23 PM
    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h264/show

    This bill is ending H1B for sure, but how will people get EB when there is no h1B or H1B renewal to wait for EB.

    Please add your views about this bill.

    Also, is there a IL chapter for IV?

    ??



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  • nobody
    03-12 12:08 AM
    I voted thirdworldman. I'm kind of a sucker for the curved thing, though the train would have to be broken into soo many segments for it to actually corner a corner like that, we'll just assume it'd work :beam:
    I liked the texturing and all the most actually, the walls are cool :thumb:





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  • singhsa3
    03-03 05:54 PM
    Just sent a message to David Merkel, inviting him to view this thread david.merkel@gmail.com. Any one that can take our cause is relevan to us.



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  • speddi
    07-13 09:25 AM
    I applied for I-140 in July 2007 using a substitute labor EB2 (from a different company) with a priority date of Nov 2005 and it got approved in May 2008.

    During the same July fiasco, my employer at that time applied for I-485 with a priority date of August 2006.

    I didn't apply for priority date porting after the substitute labor I-140 got approved because I didn't have the approval notice.

    I read somewhere that even though I didn't apply for porting of the date, USCIS will consider the earlier date. How far is this true? How can I find out my correct priority date?

    Thank you





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  • Saralayar
    09-10 05:45 PM
    Guys,
    The link isnt working for me too.

    I hope things work in favor with this bill today, but if not, we must ask for Citizenship instead of Greencards. Anyone with me.,

    We have all waited for 5-10 year and there are many who got it in one year and then Citizenship in 6-8 years from the day they got their GCs. That was the normal timeframe. But due to their inefficiency, we are waiting this much time. NOT our fault. Now dont you guys think we must ask for Citizenship.. I thought my case was too stressful, came 99, applied 04, waiting for 485 now, but I have seen so many many stories of ohter guys also here who suffered more. I feel we must ask them Citizenship. If we get, great, else atleast we end up with GC.
    Anybody with me,

    Thanks,
    Sri.,
    I opend a thread for this some months ago... and people have no vision for future... so laughing and making sarcastic comments..... because most of them are from the country which do not think about future (even now).:(



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  • techskill
    08-15 02:33 PM
    Nobody is waiting for it now.It is going to be 'U' for all.In fact i think everybody has forgotten about the visa bulletin. They are more worried about their checks being cashed and RDs.





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  • gcnirvana
    04-20 06:23 PM
    We need at least 6 more volunteers for this task so that the volunteers already making the phone calls are not over-burdened. Please help this very important initiative.

    If you would like to volunteer for this effort, please post or send me a private message.

    I can make phone calls. Sent a PM



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  • GreenLantern
    02-16 07:37 PM
    Very nice. :thumb: :thumb: (Two thumbs up)





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  • smuggymba
    09-10 06:06 PM
    As of 05/10 's inventory report - there were ~200,000 GC application pending across ALL categories.

    I expect they would have reduced this backlog by 40,000 in the last 6 months . Will be verified by the next inventory report due , hopefully next month.

    If they reduce the backlog by 40,000 "NET" per year , backlog should be over in next 5 years.

    If they open the flood gates and let more applications to come in then this NET reduction is not possible.

    more people keep of applying across all categories so the demand is not stagnant, it keeps growing.



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  • chintu25
    07-09 03:11 PM
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    Rock On We are with u :) :cool:





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  • god_bless_you
    07-04 07:42 PM
    So you are saying that They assigned Visa numbers to the existing cases before processing and approval the cases are not yet approved and we can expect approvals in near future once name check etc are cleared ??





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  • crazyghoda
    01-16 04:27 PM
    My layoff was much less traumatizing at the instant.

    I was in India on vacation and one fine day I check my work email to see an email that I was let go a day earlier with 2 weeks of severance.

    Luckily I had my AP with me which is what I used to return back instead of the H1. Needless to add my entire remainder of the vacation was ruined in between obsessing about how to come back (try using the H1 even though laid off or use the AP and face secondary inspections) and applying to new jobs.

    Well I am back now and looking everywhere. Hopefully something should click soon.

    All the best guys!





    Tito_ortiz
    11-19 12:09 PM
    Please do not take any precipitated steps that harm yours status ! Calm down. This is still the strongest economy in the world. You don't want to miss this unique opportunity !





    alisa
    01-23 06:33 AM
    I agree, at some point, things break even, because people will frankly get fed up and leave. That point will be somewhere between 10-20 years. And we will then be congratulating the two or three Indians who wait this out.

    This was just an attempt to model in the absence of reliable information, and to try and get as reliable information as can possible be got. I wish we could get more data and links here than we currently have (just one I think.)

    The modelling on this thread shows wait times of 15-20 years for India, about 5 years for ROW, and somewhere in between for China (I think China will be closer to ROW than India just because their backlogs for 2001 and 2002 were one fourth that of India.)

    The purpose of the exercise was to estimate wait times based on some solid data. Who is getting screwed, and by how much. (Looks like, the answer to 'who' is Indians, and the answer to 'how much' is 'A lot'.)

    People will naturally not wait for 20 years to get a greencard. Either things will be fixed, or people will start leaving.



    I think thigns break even at some point. It is so frustrating that it becomes no longer attractive to pursue GC (If we have not already reached that point).
    You got to be open to change to survive, be it a person or a country. No point in predicting death before GC or any such extreme cases. It will definetely take as long as it needs. Its basic capitalism at best , supply and demand. You can't beat that.

    Nothing wrong in trying to change the course though.



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